Assalamu Alaikkum … Brother, What are these Explanations & Quotes …
■ Some of them simply make it an occasion to gather and read the story of the Mawlid, then they present speeches and qasîdahs (odes) for this occasion.
■ Some of them make food and sweets etc., and offer them to the people present.
■ Some of them hold these celebrations in the mosques, and some of them hold them in their houses.
What wrong in these???
There is nothing wrong in these things if done on a normal or routine basis. The problem occurs when you associate these things specifically for one day only. Here they do some of these acts specifically once a year on ‘bidah milad un nabi’ You can read and gather story or seerah but to make it only for a single day & call it as eid needs evidence from Quran or hadiths.
A classic example of this is the incident which occurred during the time of the Sahaabah:
‘Amr ibn Salmah said, “We used to sit by the door of Abdullah ibn Mas’ood before the morning prayer, so that when he came out we would walk with him to the masjid. (One day) Abu Moosa al-Ash’aree came to us and said, ‘Has Abu ‘Abdurrahmaan come out yet?’ We replied, ‘No.’ So he sat down with us until he (ibn Mas’ood) came out. When he came out we all stood along with him, so Abu Moosa said to him, ‘O Abu Abdurrahmaan! I have just seen something in the masjid which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allaah, I did not see anything except good.’ He enquired, ‘Then what is it?’ (Abu Moosa) replied, ‘If you live you will see it. I saw in the masjid people sitting in circles awaiting the prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say, “Repeat Allaahu Akbar a hundred times.” So they would repeat it a hundred times. Then he would say, “Say Laa ilaaha illallaah a hundred times.” So they would say it a hundred times. Then he would say, “Say subhaanallaah a hundred times.” So they would say it a hundred times.’ (Ibn Mas’ood) asked, ‘What did you say to them?’ (Abu Moosa) said, ‘I did not say anything to them. Instead I waited to hear your view or what you declared.’ (Ibn Mas’ood) replied, ‘If only you had ordered them to count up the evil deeds they acquired and assured them that their good deeds would not be lost!’ Then we went along with him (Ibn Mas’ood) until he came to one of these circles and stood and said, ‘What is this which I see you doing?’ They replied, ‘O Abu Abdurrahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh.’ He said, ‘Count up your evil deeds. I assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe to you, O Ummah of Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam! How quickly you go to destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam and who are widespread. There are his sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam clothes which have not yet decayed and his bowl which is unbroken. By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Either you are upon a religion better guided than the religion of Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam or you are opening the door of misguidance.’ They said, ‘O Abu Abdurrahmaan! By Allaah, we only intended good.’ He said, ‘How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it. Indeed Allaah’s Messenger sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said to us, “A people will recite the Qur’aan but it will not pass beyond their throats.” By Allaah! I do not know, perhaps most of them are from you.‘ Then he left them.”
Amr ibn Salmah (the sub-narrator) said, “We saw most of those people fighting against us on the day of Nahrawaan, along with the Khawaarij.” (Sunan ad-Daarimi 1/79)
Al-Bayhaqi (d.458 AH) narrates: “Sa’iid Ibn al Musayyib saw a man praying more than two rakah after sunrise with excessive ruku’ and sujuud, so he forbade him from that. The man replied: ‘Ya Aba Muhammad, will Allah punish me for praying? He said: ‘No, BUT HE WILL PUNISH YOU FOR DIFFERING WITH THE SUNNAH!’’’ (Sunan al-kubra 2/466).
So what message do we learn from the above 2 examples? What was so wrong in reciting Allaahu Akbar , subhaanallaah, Laa ilaaha illallaah in a mosque? That Abdullah ibn Mas’ood said ‘Count up your evil deeds & How quickly you go to destruction & ‘How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it??
What was so wrong in 2 rakah after sunrise with excessive ruku and sujud that Saiid said Allah will punish you from differing with sunnah? What we learn from this is that whatever act we do should be in accordance with quran & sunnah. You can read and gather story or seerah throughout the year but to make it only/specifically for a single day & call it as eid needs evidence from Quran or hadiths otherwise it’s a bidah & such acts needs to be rebuked.
Some people do not limit themselves to the actions mentioned above; they include in these gatherings harâm and reprehensible things, such as free mixing of men and women, dancing and singing, or committing actions of shirk such as seeking the help of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allâh be upon him), calling upon him, seeking his support against their enemies and so on.
Why do you think these people not doing such things in our Eids(fitr & adha) … Why you don’t want to ban celebrating Eid by showing their haram activities …
Don’t talk about these people … We know Haram is Haram & its clear …
One of the strangest matters also is that some of them believe that Allaah’s Messenger(pbuh) is actually present at their milaad celebrations. However, this is from the greatest of lies and the worst form of ignorance, because the Messenger (pbuh) shall neither come out of his grave before the Day of Judgement, nor will he meet anyone, nor attend their gatherings
Do any one said you our Prophet is Physically present in Milaad celebration … If they say so, they are liar … I believe no one is burying soul of any one inside the grave …
Jazakallah khair for making this statement. Among the recent bidah of milad un nabi an empty chair is kept & a procession is made throughout the city and that empty chair is for the prophet(pbuh) & its part of their aqeedah that prophet(pbuh) visits such mehfils (gatherings) (some mehfils are without chair but the aqeedah is still the same that prophet will come & visit).
“Then you shall surely die, then you shall be raised-up again on the Day of Resurrection.” [Soorah al-Mu’minoon 23:15-16].
Do you think these verse refer to Rasul in particular … Allah talking about whole humanity …
No one claimed it to be ONLY referring to prophet, but the ayah also refers to Prophet(pbuh) and the ayah needs to be taken in context to what I have posted above.
The Prophet (pbuh) said: “I will be the leader of the children of Aadam on the Day of Resurrection, and I will be the first for whom the earth will split open, and will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted.” (Muslim (7/59)
Here our Prophet mentioning about the physical one … We accept it …
“And they worship besides Allâh things that harm them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allâh’.” [Yûnus 10:18]
We are not worshipping anyone other than Allah … If someone do so, They are not Muslim, You no need to worry about them …
Amr bil maroof nahl al munkar (invite others to do good & refrain from evil) is obligatory on muslims. Prophet(pbuh) said one of the thing that differentiates us from the disbelievers is that we do amr bil maroof nahl al munkar. So we cannot leave them since they proclaim the shahadah but are involved in grave acts of shirk in the name of Islam & hence they have to be rectified.
“And those who take Awliyâ’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh’.” [az-Zumar 39:3]
If any worship Awliya: ” Indeed, Allah will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and [confirmed] disbeliever.(39:3)
So we no need to worry about those who worship Awliyas … But, we have no rights to stop anyone who just doing Jiyarath there … Which Allah permitted …
Visiting graves is infact recommended by prophet(pbuh) since it’s a reminder for hereafter so why would we stop anyone from visiting? But prophet(pbuh) said one shouldn’t travel specifically to any place except 3 mosques (makkah, madina and masjid ul aqsa). So if someone wants to travel specifically to visit some grave then its prohibited.
& Just gave an usual Answer for my 2nd question … Without reading my question completely …
The Prophet (pbuh) forbade going to extremes in praising him, as he said:“Do not extol as the Christians extolled the son of Maryam. For I am just His slave, so say, the slave of Allâh and His Messenger.” (narrated by al-Bukhârî, 4/142, no. 3445; al-Fath, 6/551),
Here he say I’m just an slave & Prophet of Allah(swt) … He warn us not to praise him as Allah Son as Christian did after Jesus resurrection … & Ask as not to him equal to Allah …
But I want to make one thing clear He is not Allah or Son of Allah … At the same time he is not same like you & me or any one else in this world … He is the best among the creature & He is Chosen one … & Stop calling Millad un Nabi as Bidah … Rasul(saw) preached as Thowheed Al Islam … We will not go against it by worshiping him & Awliya along with Allah … May Allah protect us from Shirk … Ya Allah, You (Alone) we worship, and you (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)…
Narated By Anas : The Prophet said “None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind.“ Bukhari Volume 001, Book 002, Hadith Number 014
Masha Allah … Jazak Allah Khair … Thanks for quoting this Hadeeth … We should love him truly not by merely words …
your question was read and answered accordingly. wa antum fa jazakumullahu khairan
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you.” [al-Mâ’idah 5:3]
If you want to quote this above Verse, Then why you Quoting below hadith, which ask to follow the way of Khalifahs also, who came to power after Our Prophets …
So you think first 4 khalifahs (Abubakr, Umar, Uthman & Ali) ruled against quran or they invented something new in islam? Did they not rule according to quran and sunnah? If you think they ruled according to quran and sunnah then both quran & hadith quoted are valid & not contradictory..
the Prophet (pbuh) said: “I urge you to follow my Sunnah and the way of the rightly-guided khalîfahs after me; adhere to it and cling to it firmly. Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation (bid’ah) and every innovation is a going-astray.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 4/126; at-Tirmidhî no. 2676).
The above Quranic Verse say Allah have perfected our religion … In sense, He said everything which are all Fardh, Halal, Haram & etc(other clear rules which Allah says in Quran) … The theory part is over … Next is Sunnah ( the practical way of life which is demonstrated by Rasul(saw) … & We need to follow Khalifahs way of life also Masha Allah you accept Khalifahs life (some group of people don’t accept that) … We can follow Kalifah’s way of life until it contradict the way of Prophet(saw) …
Bidah are the things which we add in religion in the name of rituals,culture&etc which are prohibited …
I can understand your sincerity … But, you are convinced with your idea … I wish you can understand the difference … You just need to understand one thing, the one who thought this ideology is an human & he can make mistakes & spread it … Come out of his idea, Think your own … I know its very difficult … Insha Allah, Allah will change your mind to get united with Muslim community who love, respect & follow Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) & love each other for the sake of Allah & his Rasul(saw) … Ameen …
You to make dua for me … Wassalaam …
I am speaking with evidences for objecting, you haven’t supported your celebrating bidah milad un nabi with any prof. so its you who needs to get convinced not from me, but from quran & hadiths which have been quoted. If still you want to adhere to your own desires then remember warning of Ibn Masood(ra) quoted in beginning.
Which ideology are you speaking of ?. The problem would have occured if instead of quoting quran or hadiths we quote our own personal views. I am quoting here hadiths from prophet and sahabas. If you something better than these person then quote them (by Allah you would never be able to do since after prophet best generation are the sahabas).
How to achieve unity: No group has ever split from the Jamaa’ah except by way of an innovation. So when they return back to the Qur’an and Sunnah then Allah will give them back their honour and will establish them upon the Earth. Allah said:
۞ “Allâh has promised those amongst you who believe and do righteous actions that He will certainly grant them Khilâfah (succession) on the earth, as He granted it to those before them; and that He will grant them authority to practice their religion, the one that He has chosen for them; and He will change their state from one of fear in which they lived to one of peace and security, providing they will worship Me alone, not associating any partner with Me. But whosoever disbelieves after this, then they are the rebellious ones.” (Holy Qur’an 24:55)
Btw you are just diverting here and there and not discussing on the crux of the issue against milad un nabi. If you support something standup to it by providing references from quran and hadiths else there is no sense in me typing so long with references against bidah of milad un nabi & you ignoring it. Hope you understand it
i would urge you to go through our article & if you have any objection then reply by quoting with evidences from Quran and hadiths: www.systemoflife.com/articles/milaad/269-milad-un-nabi-or-prophet-birthday-celebrate-or-not
this is only the way to continue further on this topic
Your brother in Islam